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Since the manga's version of uranometria is different from the anime's, I think there should be section describing the manga version. Rauleli 16:53, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Can you provide a chapter and a page please.Chapter 144 Page 18 in mangastream and it is also here 18:41, March 20, 2011 (UTC) http://fairytail.wikia.com/wiki/File:Uranometria.png Rauleli 18:49, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Personally I would add it as a trivia point, though I wouldn't add an entire section for the manga version unless you got the ok from an admin.--19:10, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
Heavenly Body Magic Edit
It probably is but putting that would be speculation. It will remain uncategorized until it is confirmed otherwise.22:09, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
Actually in episode 58 of the anime, Hibiki says that he's going to use Archive to teach Lucy Hyper Magic. I'm guessing Urano Metria falls under Hyper Magic. I don't know if it's listed as that in the manga, but it definitely fits under a type of magic. I hope that Hyper magic gets expanded on later in the series.
Stellar Spirit Magic Edit
Hibiki Laytis states in chapter 144 page 16
"Just a little further and I would have fallen to the darkness, but your bonds with your stellar spirits enveloped me in so much light... I know you can use this magic..."
This and his previous statement that Urano Metria is a top-level spell indicates that only a top level stellar magic is capable of casting it. (However this alone would be too shallow to be called a fact on its own.)
Going further with the reasoning, the incantation in chapter 144 page 17 can be divided into two parts by implied meaning. The first would cover most of the incantation:
Measure the heavens, and open them wide...
Through the shining of all the stars of heaven,
Make thyself known unto me
I am one with dominion over the stars...
Release thy aspect, a malevolent gate
In this verse the name Tetrabiblos appears. The real Tetrabiblos is a text on the philosophy and practice of astrology, written in the 2. century AD by Ptolemy. The work is one of the longest standing theory on sciences, which even today has a huge effect on its subject. Based on this information and the meaning that the incantation carries there is a clear implification that the caster is requesting a gate opening as a stellar mage (Release thy aspect, a malevolent gate; it is as brightly there as daylight) to an entitiy that has has all the knowledge of the stellar magic (stars, constellations and astrology in Fairy Tail terms). Of course the request of the gate opening would arise the question who is the stellar spirit opening the gate, and having all possible knowledge to stellar magic there is. I think the answer would come just as fast: the Spirit King. (Right now I would not like to go into any further deep speculations and over this, but chapter 262 page 19 and 20 when the Spirit King opens the gate for the team he says "All the start will bless you on your way," and I would be interested how close the Japanese wording of the Uranometria recitation and this sentence of his are. Anyone can help?).
As for the latter part of the incantation:
O eighty-eight signs...
The real Uranometria is the short title of a star atlas produced by Johann Bayer. It was published in Augsburg, Germany, in 1603. It was the first atlas to cover the entire celestial sphere. Basically this, along with the information we have so far (there are 12 golden keys, which are the Zodiac, and all stellar spirits themes and powers are going along their gate names, which are all names of constellations from Uranometria) allows us to deduce that there are 88 stellar spirits, of which 12 are the zodiacs, the leaders of the spirits and the most powerful, and 76 minor spirits. With this the implied meaning of the incantation is most likely that, by casting Urano Metria all of the stellar spirits power pours through through the opened "malevolent gate" to cause harm to the enemy of the caster.
Well, that is about my reasoning. Thank you for reading and your work! László Jávorszky 07:34, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
That makes sense and is probably (hopefully) correct. However, it's speculation and cannot be added.20:07, December 8, 2011 (UTC)
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Hey guys, I know some greek and I'm pretty sure that the name of the spell is not "Urano Metria", but "Uranometria". "Urano Metria" makes no sense and the accurate translation would be "count sky", whereas Uranometria means "measuring the heavens". It's sort of like the word "Swordsman": If you separate the two words and call it "Swords Man", it is two words that make no sense if used like this.
And, for more proof, take a look at this. The atlas is named "Uranometria", derived from the greek "Ουρανομετρία". So...to make a long story short, I say that if we want to be accurate and the spell to actually make sense, the name has to change to one word. Thoughts? 22:10,1/4/2013
I remember a time where the translations for this were Willy Nilly but I'm under the impression that we are following the official name provided from the english manga, a volume that was published by Del Ray and the same volume that we had the Trimens' name's confirmed01:51, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
The Kanji for the spell is ウラノ・メトリア. The dot between ノ (no) and メ (me) separates the name into two words. So, since the official name is two words, that's how we'll keep it. 03:52, January 5, 2013 (UTC)
Urano Metria Incantation in English Dub Edit
http://watchdubbed.net/fairy-tail-episode-59-english-dubbed The English dub incantation is Oh stars far and wide that embody the heavens By thy radiance, reveal thy form to me I implore you oh tetrabiblos Ruler of the stars Let your unrestrained rage flow With the 88 heavenly bodies Shining! Urano Metria!!! Raphael1123 (talk) 04:42, August 3, 2014 (UTC) Also edited by THEJETPACKGUY on Xbox One
Why are Hibiki and Yukino listed when they have never been shown to use it in the manga. Hibiki may have transferred the spell to Lucy but that doesn't mean he can use it, only that he knows of it. As for Yukino, the anime is not a canon source and shouldn't be considered as such. Both names should be removed unless someone has good enough evidence to prove otherwise.--184.108.40.206 16:16, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
Regarding Hibiki, it clearly says that he transferred the spell to Lucy in the brackets. Anything else is free to your interpretation but is, of course, speculation which isn't allowed.
Regarding Yukino, why not? The point of this wiki is to be encyclopedia, thus all the information from both anime and manga should be summed here. Just because Mashima is the creator of the series doesn't mean we'll completely ignore the anime. True, the information from manga is always prioritized, but if the anime adds some new stuff, we add info about it, too. It's just how it works. I hope I made it all clear to you.
Spell category Edit
Just wondering why is this uncategorized? I thought Hibiki said during the OS arc that this is an ancient Celestial Spirit Spell... could be wrong but still it's shown that only CS and CS Mages can use this so yeah, my thoughts00:18, December 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Hibiki only said that it was a high level spell. Only Lucy has been shown using it. Yukino's use of it was non canon, so we just dont know.--