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Gerard doesn't get his position back just because he's alive, Jose isn't considered dead, but his position was revoked -Umi
Jose Pola Edit
I see some people are adding him to former members of the TGHM and that the Phantom Lord guild has been dissolved. Unless someone shows me the page in the manga where it says that, I'm just keep going to change it back. Dalyup! 13:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
He was turned into stone in 65, i dont think that counts as an active member..... Umibouzu 00:00, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
He wasn't turned into stone, he was struck by the holy light of Fairy Law. Furthermore, if he was turned into stone why would Makarov talk to him and why would he shake? He's still alive. Dalyup! 01:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
He was trying to break out of the stone, whence shaking, and im sure he can still here Makarov, why dont you just make an uncofirmed section then?
Why do you assume he's turned into stone? Because he's white? He'd could've been covered in ash or snow for all you know. But, yes, good idea. I'll add a note about him being possibly revoked, but for now I'm going to leave him in the active section unless shown otherwise. Dalyup! 09:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Dalyup, i checked chapter 100 and it says 2 newly opened seats in the TGHM? i wanted to get your opinion on it-Umi
Im sorry if im being annoying Dalyup, but should Natsu really be counted as a TGHM? we dont know the conditions that you need to be a Holy mage Umibouzu 00:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Hm, no. I'm not sure why I left it there - I'll delete it now. And don't think you're be annoying: discussion is a good thing. Dalyup! 13:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
yeah natsu shouldnt be counted, maybe he will be one daybut it has never been stated. just because erza said that he is stronger than her ( at the moment he isnt) is not a real proof because then, all people stronger or that are going to be stronger than her should be categorized as THGM.
I didn't actually put it there in the first place but since Natsu did beat Jeral/Gerard who is a THGM I thought it was fair enough. Now that you say that, Angel did beat Jura as well, but that was, like, a sudden attack. Umi, I think those two seats could either refer to those left open by Jose Pola and Jeral, or the two council seats left open by Jeral and Urtear. Probably the former. You can delete it if you want, I won't revert it. Dalyup! 10:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Trivia section Edit
Where does it say the council have to approve who the Chairman chooses? Also, the Council didn't know who defeated Jeral in the first place (I think, I have a feeling that's wrong) so I don't think that Natsu statement is correct either. Dalyup! 16:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Official Translation Edit
The official translation is "Wizard Saint". Why did Drunk_Samurai change it back? I know you want to keep the ols names bad but that is the official translation. Shock Dragoon
Did you even read the edit history? Well that was a stupid question. Obviously you didn't. Drunk Samurai 20:01, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
Magic Council vs. TGHM Edit
There's no source for neither Sieglein/Gérard being one of the TGHM nor for José's status being revoked, is there? At least not in Ch.100 p.16 because on the following page, those seats are those from the Magic Council - you just have to compare them to those characters in chapters 1, 69, 88 and 90. Those guys from Erza's "dream sequence" are the members of the Magic Council. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 21:48, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
-If your saying that the magic council is the TGHM then your wrong, and if i remember correctly it means " Because their are two seats missing now(JOSe and Gerard) the they eternally give one of those seats to erza, otherwise why would they say it? -Umi
- No, the TGHM are announced by the Magic Council. Gérard/Sieglein was never said to be one of the TGHM, but José was. We don't know whether or not José's status has been revoked, and Sieglein was a member of the council that apparently doesn't consist of TGHM. So that section "Former Members" is wrong. -- [ defchris ] · [ Diskussion ] · 17:40, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
actually it was, i believe it was chapter 48, or sometime before Phantom Lord, and since Phantom Lord was disbanded for starting a guild war, Jose would lose his posistion, and the 2 open spots backs that up
If we're calling them wizard saints then shouldn't we change all the instances of the word 'mage' to 'wizard'? Dalyup! 20:48, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so, the english manga uses both terms except in the case of the Wizard Saints Shock Dragoon 5:30 pm (ETZ)
- I don't remember any time they used the word "mage", only wizard. They even gave a reason for doing so. Dalyup! 21:09, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
Back then when Jura visited Fairy Tail (X791 arc), he told Makarov that Ten Wizards Saint meeting will be held soon. Why would he tell him if he was replaced? ;o13:48, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
Yup. I think your right ^ and also when Jura visited i think he asked Makarov if he have any ideas about Jellal's whereabout. Remember at the Grand Magic Games when Jellal fought with Jura and Jura said something about Makarov not being honest..--Ayanchua (talk) 06:10, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
The Greatest Four Edit
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Why don't we include the silhouette of "the greatest four" from the latest chapter? It's official, right? I don't think it's a bad idea. Elfansoer 18.104.22.168 00:20, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
Four Deities/Four Devas/四天王/etc.../とかとかとか・・・ Edit
Okay, so in the raw version, they had it as イシュガルの四天王 (Ishugaru no Shitennō). The 四天王 part is really tricky to translate, but it generally refers to the four leaders in the field. For some naming examples, they're translated as "Elite Four" in Pokemon, "Four Heavenly Kings" in Toriko, and many other names in various other series that use the term. While some would translate them as "Four Deities" or "Four Devas", they're more commonly referred as is in Buddhism.
So what am I ranting for? Not much, really. I just want people to get the facts straight on what 四天王 really means, and to remind you guys that stream site's translation shouldn't be trusted fully (not that that panda site's translation is any better...) ChaosKnight 22:32, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
Isval doesn't make sense unless Mashima really was doing a FMA reference. Somebody in chat said yesterday that there was a note in the afterword mentioning a country name. I can't remember what they said it was. Something like Isban? So the name could have come from this county that Mashima mentioned. SeaTerror (talk) 02:00, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
This, I'm really interested. I really don't understand any japanese so I'm basing my facts on the ones that are translated so maybe I'm wrong. In mangahere they reffered to them as the "Four Gods of Ishval", I really don't know if they are really Gods or Human. But In the latest chapter Obaba-babasama said that Jura is the strongest 'Human' wizard saint. So are there any possibilities that they are really Gods? And also while reading here i stumbled upon the Location of Ur's House which is in land of Ishvan. Maybe I'm reading a lot into it but "Ishvan" and "Ishval" aren't they a little close to each other. So maybe the place where Gray spent his time with Ur was ruled by those 'Four'. >.< --Ayanchua (talk) 06:20, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
- It's like Chaos said: "For some naming examples, they're translated as "Elite Four" in Pokemon, "Four Heavenly Kings" in Toriko, and many other names in various other series that use the term." It just means that they're the elite of the elite; they're god-like in strength, not actual "Gods". It's for that reason why she called Jura the only "Human Wizard Saint"; because they're just so powerful that it's unreal.
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