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Brain's real name???Edit

67.169.34.213 19:20, March 28, 2010 (UTC)i was rereading fairy tail and right after midnight was defeated he said "i am supposed to be...the most powerful...even stronger than my father...Rokuma." is that his real name???

Rokuma means Six Demons, or something like that.

Bonus GalleryEdit

The last picture isnt of Brain using archive, its of him canceling the self-destruct spell, and those two abilities have nothing to do with each other. He invented the self-destruct magic, so he knew how to destroy it without the cancel code.

Sorry for the mistake, I'll take care of it...ChaosKnight 02:39, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cardinal being Brain? Edit

Okay I know it's unconfirmed, but, I think it's pretty obvious he's Brain. He has the same eyes, eye color, hair color, the way he talks (The maggots have arrived) and voice. The only thing that's different is his skin color, but that could be because he somehow has control over Zero now.

I know this is filler, and nothing should be updated on his page yet since it's not 100% sure, but I think before making a Cardinal page we should wait to see if he is confirmed to be Brain some time in the anime.

76.126.75.37 19:50, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

IF he's Brain, we'll just merge his page with the Lapointe one, like we did with Alexis and Iwan.
Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部 13:34,7/15/2012


Different People Edit

I think ..... I'm not sure but i think Zero and Brain are two different persons its just that Zero is in the body of Brain and Zero is the Guild Master not Brain so i think you should have two different pages for them.Well no reference just saw it in the anime. -- Fairy tailmageGray Anime S2 13:29, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, they aren't the same person. I was going to debate this last week as it was never confirmed, but the changes already happened. Will (talk) 03:59, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, Zero is just an alternate personality. However, Lapointe is a different individual, since he is not Brain at all, but a puppet made from Zero's hair. Therefore, I propose that Lapointe be restored to his original article, and all content related to him be purged from Brain's page; since they are, after all, two different people.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 05:15, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Brain 100% Zero said it himself. He said that he sealed his other personality cuz it was crazy or it held too much power :/ I think he said both those reasons were what caused him to seal that persona away with the six prayers and blah blah blah :/ Just different personality, not person. And Lapointe's page should be made once again. Though we would have to explain the whole doll thing and Zero's hair >.< So I Oppose Oppose - the different page creation thing >:D But I Support Support - Lapointe's page thing.Chibi StingMega Chibi Cobra 15:59, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

About Magic Edit

Can Lapointe use personification magic, he mentioned it when Gildarts was talking about the dolls they've encountered. RifatmfaridNatsu and HappyTalk 14:45, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

I don't even know what you mean by personification magic.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 15:32, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

It's mentioned by Gildarts in Ep 147 when something starts happening to Lapointe's body. RifatmfaridNatsu and HappyTalk 16:04, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

If there is such a thing as "personification magic," it's likely that the one who possesses it is Imitatia, not Lapointe.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 17:07, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I just rewatched the ep. Yes personification magic is Imitatia's magic, not Lapointe's.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 19:21, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
Although, now it turns out that Imitatia may not have it either, so Lapointe had it, but I'm not sure who created Lapointe to begin with. Perhaps Midnight or Klodoa.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 14:05, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Death? Edit

Well, since in episode 150 Midnight said he lost the chance to meet his father again, it can be inferred that Brain is dead - isn't it? Marco the Marine Admiral (talk) 13:29, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand what it is with admirals and trying to make this case, but Brain is alive. Midnight said he gave up the chance to meet his father again, not that he lost it. This means that, even though he could have been reunited with Brain, he chooses not to. His entire dialogue with Natsu suggested as much.--ザクOración Seis Symbol王の山頂 13:47, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Yep you got the point. I was obvoiusly wrong. Marco the Marine Admiral (talk) 13:49, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

If Brain is alive, why is his status listed as "Deceased?" Ghostkaiba297 (talk) 00:47, July 7, 2014 (UTC)
Brain is not alive; he was killed by Cobra. Listing him as unknown is quite ridiculous, as we plainly know what happened to him. What Midnight created was an illusion of Brain living and turning into Zero, and after that broke, we still saw a deceased Brain lying on the ground.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 01:05, July 7, 2014 (UTC)

QuoteEdit

I've been looking for Brain's prayer and on his page, it seems that his featured quote is incorrect. He never says "That is my prayer" in both the anime or manga, so I am to believe that the quote was either fabricated or incorrectly sourced, and I am proposing it should be removed or replaced. There is a possibility I have bad scanlations/ bad subtitles for the manga/anime respectively so if anyone would like to cross-check, that would be great.

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Eh? He says that here, Umnei: http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v18/c152/14.html (The "that's my prayer" part is written on the lower right corner of the page).

Besides, I checked my volume as well, and the quote is there. Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部 19:41,12/20/2013

Profile Pic Edit

I don't see any significant changes between the "Pre-Timeskip" and "Post-Timeskip" pics. Besides, with that kind of triple switch template, the one in the appearance section gets messed up. Jura From Video Game Herme 阿部 19:41,12/20/2013

He grew hair and beard *shrugs* Miskos3 Message 19:59, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Requip? Edit

I just noticed that in Chapter 137 on Page 6 Brain summoned a dagger directly into his hand. Should we add re-quip magic to his arsenal? NoNickNeeded (talk) 19:06, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, we should. Iam...    JakuhōRaikōben21:04,5/12/2014

Intellect attributeEdit

Considering Brain's high level of intelligence, shouldn't that be added as an attribute to Magic & Abilities? Recently saw Keen Intellect on Jellal's and Erza's pages and Master Strategist on Mavis' page, giving them credit for their high intelligence levels, so thought Brain should also have such an attribute. Maybe something higher than Keen Intellect, like Genius Intellect ... Actually, some other characters would deserve this too, but too lazy to edit their talk pages. >.>

--Sane Lunatic (talk) 13:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Illusion SynopsisEdit

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Saw this here for the first time after the Zera discussion. Can we please not enter what the illusions do in the main character Synopsis? Because, you see, the illusions aren't these Characters. It's like saying that the amount of time that we thought that Silver was Deliora should be included on Deliora's page or Imitatia's time as Michelle on Michelles'a page or Gemini's time as Gray on Gray's page, etc. Of course, this goes for all illusions. Zancrow and Azuma in Tartaros arc, Lisanna in Phantom Lord arc, etc. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 02:01, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - Illusions are not the character unless controlled by the character themselves. Just like a hologram of you committing illegal actions would not be attributed to you. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 02:01, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Support Support - Yeah, illusions are not the same as the characters-- God · Pray · 02:03,9/11/2015 

I think there should be leeway with in some circumstances like Zancrow and Azuma in 246 since they first appeared as the actual character but turning out to be illusions... brain I can go either way with so I'm neutral on that... EDIT: actually on second thought i'll just Oppose Oppose - since being character specific wouldn't be fair to every page, all of the characters appearances depending on the circumstance should be added in their profile or synopsisNcduru (talk) 09:03, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I don't mind it, it's still the character's appearance, so pointing out that an illusion of Zero was brought in is not a bad thing. Your examples are bad, those are impersonations, not actual clones/illusions/spirits of the characters. Miskos3 Message 08:45, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I know they are impersonations. Any reason impersonations should not be treated the same as illusions? It doesn't cause any contradictions as we enter that it is not the real person, just like the illusions are not the real person. And two pages having a part of their Synopses similar shouldn't be a problem as it would be clearly stated that it is just an impersonation, just like it is clearly stated that Brain is an illusion. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:40, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - Personally when I visit a page of a character I want to know all about, I would want to see all of the character's appearances, even in cases that it's not really that character (as long as it's not another character, like, say, Franmalth impersonating Taurus, in which case it's obvious where the summary should go).

Say I'm a fan of Simon, Simon dies, I'm devastated so I wonder-does he ever appear again? Now, if I go to Simon's page and see nothing, I think he never appears again. If his form does appear in the future, I'll have no way of knowing that, because it's not on that page.

What I mean is, it's just not practical to divide two pages of the same character, especially when until revealed it's an illusion, they have even us wondering if it's the same one or not, which means they act more or less the same. This guy acted like Brain, could be Brain, so it goes on Brain's summary. Same should be with both Zera, and Zirconis imo. In fact, Hades did a complete 180 when he appeared in Tartaros in terms of personality, but it was still added to his summary and we didn't create a page "Hades (Soul)", so I can't see why we can't do the same on all other instances. Because they're illusions and he was a soul? They acted more like the real thing than he ever did.
RavenMestSting Anime Square(S)talk08:55,9/11/2015

Michelle in KotSS arc was Michelle for quite a long time. Why should impersonations be treated differently from illusions? By that argument, Michelle and Imitatia should share quite a bit of their Synopsis as it is as much an appearance of Michelle as an illusion of Simon is an appearance of Simon. Same applies to Deliora and Gray. We thought for some time that Silver is Deliora and that Gray had gone dark. Why treat these differently? Synopsis is about recording the actions of the person, even if it is just their body (like Yuri) or just their soul (not being philosophical). Not about recording each and every appearance. Because one extreme of that would be recording the appearance of people in imaginative scenarios and even photos. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:40, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
Imitatia is entirely different and is a bad example for many reasons. Imitatia was mimicking a completely different person, so it falls more under the "Gemini" category which I explained in my Franmalth example. BUT even so, the current Michelle happened to be somewhere else and doing something else at the same time in the timeline, so there's no way (or need to) merge the two.Honestly it's like comparing day and night, or like saying we should merge Gemini with whomever it's mimicking, which is not what I said or proposed at all, despite those people it is mimicking exist at the same time.

Also yes, had Silver taken Deliora's form, then I would be all for mentioning on his page that he appeared when Silver took on his form, but that's something that never happened. Also, you said it yourself, the photo thing is an extreme case and we'd never reach that far. An extreme example of the opposite direction would be to suggest making a separate page for Erigor and the Grim Reaper, because despite having Erigor's body, he was not acting like Erigor due to brainwashing.
RavenMestSting Anime Square(S)talk11:12,9/11/2015
Btw, Franmalth's role as Taurus is mentioned in Taurus' Tartaros arc Synopsis. ._./
While Imitatia was impersonating Michelle, the real Michelle was in a vegetative state. The only actions she was performing was surviving. While Azuma's illusion was rampaging in Tartaros, the real Azuma was literally in a vegetative state on Tenrou Island. Illusions are also just mimicking the people they are based on. What exactly is the difference, aside from the existence of a physical base in Imitatia's case?
An example similar to the Grim Reaper one does exist, y'know. We've separated the ECS from the CS despite the fact that they're the same people. If an outright statement is needed, just look at the anime's CSK vs. UK. --Sane Lunatic (talk) 11:41, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
We've done that for practical reasons. Everyone agreed that it'd be messy as fuck to keep everything in the same page since ECS had different personalities/looks/abilities. There is no such issue here. Why can't we keep things simple? Stop all these technicalities. :c Miskos3 Message 11:45, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
I just stated that a case similar to the one Raven mentioned does exist, not that ECS and CS should be merged. D: That decision is over and done with and don't plan to nag or whine about it. PS: I had opposed the split tho. :P --Sane Lunatic (talk) 12:02, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well I think the circumstances for ECS were different, that was my point Miskos3 Message 12:07, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so since you guys have already made this way tl;dr, I'll just voice my opinion without knowing more than the outline of this whole discussion. XP I Support Support - removing the actions of illusions from the characters' synopsises, basically because they are not the characters in question. They are merely, as said, illusions. That fact is not debatable, at least in Brain's case. Even though the appearances and possibly even the personalities of the illusions match those of the real characters, they're still not the same. The fact stands that the actions of these illusions mean nothing for the real characters at all. Therefore, writing summaries of the illusions' actions is not only redundant, it's incorrect. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 13:00,9/11/2015

Actually, this is different from Zera's case. After mulling things over carefully, the difference between all this is that the illusory Zera developed her own personality and became her own self, a mere imagination of what the real Zera could have been had she lived. This is more like just a brief mention of what an illusory copy did. These illusions did not develop sentience, they are just doing the beckoning of their creator, and they have to be mentioned somewhere other than two-ish places (the character who performed the illusion and the episode/chapter page). Let's not get all gung-ho about this. This is kinda getting extreme. Middle ground can actually be a good thing sometimes. We don't have to go one way or the other every single time. Ergo, Oppose Oppose - this. Fuck it.
WrathRogue ChibiZero 18:35, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - Same reasons as FairyRaven, If the illusions' appearances isn't added to the character page then where will it be ? we just say that is was just an illusion HamodyKeyes FT siteAsgail 19:44, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Can't we just add something like "The following appearance was an illusion of the character" for the collapsible box like what we do for anime-only appearances? Just a suggestion which I think might benefit everyone here. .-. DispellingJellal chibiMage20:01,9/11/2015

But the paragraph itself mentions that it turns out to be an illusion that Midnight created. So why? Miskos3 Message 20:04, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
Oh. Nothing then. Just a crossing though. :P DispellingJellal chibiMage20:06,9/11/2015
That's the whole point, no one is pretending in the article that those illusion appearances are the real characters. Miskos3 Message 20:08, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
And I obviously forgot about that. Uhh... >_> DispellingJellal chibiMage20:15,9/11/2015
But then why is it even there? This info is on the episode/chapter page in question, so it is written somewhere, while this illusion has nothing to do with Brain whatsoever. So why? Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 20:17,9/11/2015
I agree with WU, just remove them. Like I keep saying, an illusion of a character is not the character. They arent significant enough to receive their own page so just slap it on the episode summary and be done with it-- God · Pray · 20:21,9/11/2015 
"while this illusion has nothing to do with Brain whatsoever" it's an illusion of Brain so why not mention that on Brain's page? :/ Miskos3 Message 20:30, September 11, 2015 (UTC)
Because it's an illusion of Brain, not Brain himself. :P Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 08:22,9/12/2015
But it's still an appearance of Brain, so someone looking up Brain stuff may be interested to see that someone casted an illusion of Brain. Miskos3 Message 08:42, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
"it's an illusion of Brain so why not mention that on Brain's page?" it's an impersonation of Michelle so why not mention that on Michelle's page? I feel like I'm going around in circles here though. :/ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 08:27, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
Um maybe because the person impersonating someone is someone completely different? They probably already have their own page where that info can be put? An illusion of a character is literally their illusionary clone, another form if you say so, that looks the same/acts the same. Meanwhile, Imitatia was nothing like the actual Michelle. She was just pretending to be another character. You're mixing up two different things and I have to say it again, but you're getting so technical that what you're trying to imply is actually incorrect. Miskos3 Message 08:42, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

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  • And the illusion is completely different from the real character.
  • And the illusions probably have a creator in whose page their actions can be entered.
  • No, they don't act the same. They don't even have to look the same. Ultear's illusion of Zeref looks nothing like Zeref. Zera's adolescent body is just a figment of Mavis' imagination. We have no way of knowing that she would have looked like that. In the anime, Sol's statues of Lisanna act nothing like the real Lisanna. Illusions dance to the tune of their masters, they don't have to act or look like the people they are based on. In fact, Gemini's copy is much closer to being a perfect clone than any illusion.
  • I don't really see what is so different between an impersonation and an illusion. An illusion is just an impersonation without a physical base, simple as that. ._./
  • Still, this isn't really going anywhere and pretty sure we won't agree. ;D So I'll just stop here and accept the decision given by the community. /o/ --Sane Lunatic (talk) 09:56, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Meh. I'm Neutral Completely Neutral - with all of this. DispellingJellal chibiMage20:24,9/11/2015

Neutral Neutral - I'm against the discussion. -- 22:55, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so since the opinions of the community differ, I think a vote is necessary to settle this discussion. I propose we put up a vote soon, so as to get this over with as swiftly and quickly as possible; I doubt anyone has got any groundbreaking arguments to support either side at this point anyway. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 19:07,9/14/2015

We can just count Support's and Oppose's, and as far as I can tell, the latter is winning. However, I want to wait for a day or two to see if someone else doesn't have something to say. Miskos3 Message 19:47, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

MacbethEdit

Can someone change Midnight to Macbeth on Brain's list of relatives? 173.184.228.251 15:28, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you also remove Six Prayers from his magic in the list of magics he has on his info box, as it's a spell and not a type of magic? 173.184.228.251 17:22, December 30, 2015 (UTC)

Done Done - It has been taken care of. Thanks for informing us. Onfire.gif Wonder Talk 17:31,12/30/2015

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