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Profile Picture[]

I want to use this picture as the profile picture and I want an administrator's permission Rauleli Talk 23:31, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

I would keep it as the current picture for two reasons.

  1. That picture really doesn't show much unless you've read the chapter.
  2. The current image is a non-manga stream image.  Iam...JakuhoRaikoben  01:32,5/17/2011 

Volume 26 Name Change[]

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Alrighty, so, according to our own lovely Umneilicious, in Volume 26 of Fairy Tail, Arc of Embodiment is translated as Arc of Incarnation. In accordance with name differences, I have brought it up for discussion plus Umy doesn't want to be that guy this time. Now, post yo' thoughts below. (~._.)~
WrathYou...wanna talk.Zero 00:19, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

i think we should keep it as "Arc of Embodiment", mainly cause it sounds better--Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 00:21, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Neutral Neutral - Well, I used dictionary.com for both words "Embodiment" and "Incarnation". It seems the former gives a more direct definiton than the latter, and they both fit the bill. I guess it really depends which flows off the tongue more. Say the entire phrase 10 times for both proposals and then vote :D
:Umnei:Talk to me! 00:23, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - Embodiment sounds better--GodPray00:26,5/16/2013

Oppose Oppose' - forgot to add that earlier, --Quoth The Raven "Nevermore" ' 00:27, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Support Support - I just like the way it sounds, more than anything; they are 100% synonymous. This vote is really about preference, more than anything.
WrathYou...wanna talk.Zero 00:29, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have to stop this voting right here guys. We no longer use changes made by the Kodansha volumes. Apparently, the note that said that Mashima was the one who supplied the English names stopped appearing in the Kodansha volumes some time ago, and as a result, we stopped adhering to Kodansha changes.   Rai  Talk     02:23,5/16/2013

But our translations come from Chaos, who (no offense Chaos) doesn't have a slip from Mashima pasted to it's forehead saying it is a legitimate source either. Aren't these sorts of votes just looking at other more official ways of translating names and voting on whether we like them or not? I have a feeling that if Chaos turned up and typed that above message stating that it had a new translation idea that we would be having this vote...
Just my opinion >__>
☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 03:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Carrot pretty much hit the nail on the coffin there, Rai. Alot of our articles aren't officially titled as is and even so, we can still use Kodansha's translations. They just aren't official, which is why we vote. If it was indeed Del Rey's translation, the voting wouldn't even be taking place. Plus, we've already had several votes as per Kodansha's translations for the better so barring them now would not benefit anyone at all.
:Umnei:Talk to me! 06:21, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree with Carry and Ummy. We should somewhat consider the so-called 'official' translation even if there's no proof that Mashima is still involved. So discussing and voting about these changes will not hurt anyone. Most of the time they get rejected anyway. Maybe one day, Kodansha will actually provide a better translation for something than it is right now... Also, someone completely disagrees with your point of view, Rai ;P Miskos3 Message 07:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, and if Papa decides that we can still vote (>__>), think about this: we use English chapter names as the titles within the chapter pages, so, should we have a differing name between a Magic's page and the chapter it is named for, things will happen, in the negative respect. Remember: consistency is important as well.
WrathYou...wanna talk.Zero 09:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I generally am not against new names unless it is greatly horrible (mainly character names), and Mashima only used to provide English name for characters, not magic. Besides, 具現 can be translated to both "incarnation" and "embodiment", just depends on which one sounds better.

P.S. None taken, Carrot. ChaosKnight 12:49, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

"But our translations come from Chaos, who (no offense Chaos) doesn't have a slip from Mashima pasted to it's forehead saying it is a legitimate source either. I have a feeling that if Chaos turned up and typed that above message stating that it had a new translation idea that we would be having this vote.." I wasn't stopping the voting because I have some personal love and devotion to Chaos and it's translations (although I do love my Mapa ^_^). I was stopping it because I thought we were holding the discussion in a "The Official Translation is Incarnation, Should We Change It?" manner, not a "Possible Translation Difference" manner, which is my fault for quickly jumping in without properly assessing the situation. So, I do apologize for stopping the voting hastily. With that being said, I Oppose Oppose - Arc of Incarnation because Arc of Embodiment sounds better. >_>   Rai  Talk     23:52,5/16/2013

XP Silly Jak... however I too Oppose Oppose - because I think the one we have sounds nicer. On another note, that Snow guy freakin' hid my comment on his stupid devaintrant~!! D:< I made a very nice comment with some very nice points and he doesn't know how to reply so he just hides it so no-one can see it. For a guy who rants I thought he'd be above that >__> On another note everyone check out the convo above this one XP Little ickle Leli has to ask for big admin Jak's permission to change a picture. Love it~! ^__^/
☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 03:38, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
I can't believe you thought he'd be above anything. He's an idiotic son of a bitch who couldn't defend anything he said and had to resort to hiding comments when he couldn't think of a bullshit reply to our comments. But, in the end, it all turned out well. I'm proud of everyone for quickly jumping to defend our wiki and the decisions that we made, and completely shutting the prick up. :)   Rai  Talk     05:11,5/17/2013
Calm, Jakuho, calm. Anger doesn't befit you :)
☆°・*CarrotSays...*・°☆ 05:20, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
Fine, fine. I 'spose you're right. :D   Rai  Talk     05:24,5/17/2013
Aww...I'm proud of me too, Papa. ^__^"
WrathYou...wanna talk.Zero 05:27, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

I Oppose Oppose - Arc of Incarnation. I just don't like the way it sounds. >_>
User Page User Talk 00:02, 5/17/2013

Oppose Oppose - Arc of Incarnation since it doesn't sound better.. RifatmfaridNatsu and HappyTalk 01:34, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose Oppose - I like Embodiment more than Incarnation. Like the others said, it sounds better :P Who am I?Talk to me! 1:26PM, May 17, 2013

New Spell ?[]

In Episode 246, Rusty's anime-only appearance had a new spell with it, when he embodied Azuma and Zancrow characters and also their magic, as if he re-created them, should this be another spell ? HamodyTartaros' NecromancerAsgail 07:56, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

No need since this ability is already mentioned in the magic's description or feel free expand it with more details. LightningGeistRead about Laxus? 08:31, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Dispulsion[]

Minor questions; aside from the instances in Chapter 238/Episode 115 and Episode 246, are there any other instances of focus-loss/pain-based dispulsion for Arc of Embodiment constructs, and should it be noted? Inept Wiki User (talk) 10:38, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Living conjuration[]

How does this exactly play? It's stated one of the weakness was the inability to conjure living, however just to clarify that Rusty used to conjure Azuma, Zancrow and th spell Belfast the Hurricane summons another living wyvern-looking beast, so would these be considered living or what? (AtlantisUchiha (talk) 02:31, March 3, 2020 (UTC)).

I thought it was already clear that this magic cannot create actual living beings since in the end they'll just stop existing if rustyrose is knocked out or the magic was dispelled. This magic can create anything the user imagines, they can create their version of living creatures but in the end they aren't actually living beings since they are just solidified imaginations, if his creations were destroyed they dont die since they were never alive and he can just imagine multiple copies of them.

Keep in mind Azuma and zancrow were already dead when they were created in the anime filler, also based on the official sources mainly the anime and manga it showed that rustyrose can only create things from his imaginations, in the case of azuma and zancrow he just created his imaginary version of them and they were not the original zancrow and azuma, as for belfast and a dragon we don't know much about them since mashima never gave them a backstory but its likely that those are monsters that rusty rose encountered or imagined out of nowhere.

If you're wondering well zeref was alive when rustyrose created an image of zeref, well yeah but he only created a picture of him. Rustyrose was never shown to create imaginary duplicates against living characters just like he never created his version of elfman when he fought against elfman and so on.

Lastly, this is not a kind of summoning magic like celestial spirit magic, this magic can create things out of nothing and that's it, they don't summon existing people or creatures from somewhere. LightningGeistRead about Laxus? 03:39, March 3, 2020 (UTC)

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